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that is exactly what I want

But outside of the tulpa community, saying you have imaginary friends is probably just easier, yeah

@Reisen - jump i think that would actually make tulpamancy so much more acceptable in the society, in the worst case scenario people would just assume you are childish/immature rather than have a mental disorder

10:16 PM

i also don’t know why tulpamancers think that ”imaginary friend” term is derigatory. i never heard about imaginary friend phenomena to mean there is no autonomy or independence in how the imaginary friend acts, quite the opposite

10:17 PM

unless i misunderstood what you meant

Lustror

The context is this, i started creating him since yesterday like at 6pm, after some talking a few words came to my mind after making questions, i thought it may be my mind parroting with a weird version of the voice i had in mind, after that i just kept frequently narrating what i'm doing and making frequently questions to him about it, again a few words came to my head like "yes, no, it's cool, good", and what i kinda don't completely get or more like what's happening is that i'm afraid that it is happening like really fast, don't know if it's because my head is "built different" how i like to say that the words started that fast but i think in my opinion that it is as fast as to don't really trust, should i trust that it isn't really my brain and that he just advanced as fast as to be able to say some words already?

Tulpas do develop on impulsive "fast" responses like that. Additionally, some tulpas can speak in complete sentences even day 1 or 2. You're on the right track as long as you're not shutting down the conversation. If it helps, you can also create a tupperbox account for your tulpa and I can talk to them in #lounge

A long kiss goodnight

Tulpas do develop on impulsive "fast" responses like that. Additionally, some tulpas can speak in complete sentences even day 1 or 2. You're on the right track as long as you're not shutting down the conversation. If it helps, you can also create a tupperbox account for your tulpa and I can talk to them in #lounge

Alright, i guess we could try that. If everything what he said wasn't parroting then i think the conversation could relatively well, just with short answers

i also don’t know why tulpamancers think that ”imaginary friend” term is derigatory. i never heard about imaginary friend phenomena to mean there is no autonomy or independence in how the imaginary friend acts, quite the opposite

@Leiko (@KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk) - jump This is pretty simple, ask most people on the street and they will say an imaginary friend isn't real and is just you/a delusion or imagination, not an identity that can have it's own desires. Being called an imaginary friend is basically to most tulpas being called fake and lesser

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I personally don't like "imaginary friend" because Gray used that as an excuse to ignore me before I told him I was real. Otherwise, I agree with Astra. When I explain tulpamancy to people, I may mention imaginary friends briefly but I focus on how this is caused by the process that is convincing yourself you have a tulpa rather than "oh I'm just an imaginary friend"

It's one of the reasons I'm becoming increasingly annoyed with other servers as of late, the more and more spreading "tulpamancy is just imaginary friends+" message in name and concept has done nothing but negatively impact my system.

I'm sorry it has negatively impacted your system. Are you comfortable elaborating on that?

It's pretty simple, not only has it been used as an insult towards us by multiple people in the last year but the ideology just causes mental stress on us in regards to how real we are. You'll notice all of the people who push that ideology are hyper host centric and whether they say it openly or not will always consider tulpas as second class citizens if people at all. I'm not a "all tulpas are full people and dissipation is evil no matter the context" type of person but I'd like to be recognized as a seperate self conscious entity with feelings that aren't my host's.

also comparing tulpas to imaginary friends makes it sound like tulpas are their form, rather than a separate mind that just controls the form as an avatar

I also find the concept to be incredibly stunting in regards to how much development a tulpa can achieve. If you see them as just more advanced imaginary friends that inherently suggests that they can't ever get more seperate and independent from you and generally I think it makes you think in a more closed way about how much you can do with the practice. I don't like the extremes on either end of the tulpa community, dogma doesnt help anyone and imaginary friends+ to me is dogmatic.

Astra 🕯

It's pretty simple, not only has it been used as an insult towards us by multiple people in the last year but the ideology just causes mental stress on us in regards to how real we are. You'll notice all of the people who push that ideology are hyper host centric and whether they say it openly or not will always consider tulpas as second class citizens if people at all. I'm not a "all tulpas are full people and dissipation is evil no matter the context" type of person but I'd like to be recognized as a seperate self conscious entity with feelings that aren't my host's.

Ah, I see. It's been awhile since I have had someone insist I'm an imaginary friend and not real. I'm in a position where I'm very fortunate, I had time to think about how real I am or not and I had a chance to find inner peace on that. If it helps, the people who run around fake claiming are the most insecure about their tulpas being real or not. The idea of a 15 year old playing with his "spiderman tulpas" or really any tulpa who doesn't follow their strict rules and beliefs must therefore be a dirty faker! Yeah right, the whole faking argument makes so much sense in a setting where faking is a legitimate tulpa creation method. It's okay to be insecure. It's not okay to take your feelings out on someone else.

1:28 AM

As for tulpa mindsets (tulpa views)- I don't think a mindset is toxic unless it stops you from treating tulpas with plain and simple respect. I don't agree with An on certain things but they are really respectful in how they talk to tulpas. On the other extreme, I don't think people should be telling you you're a tulpa murder if you had to go through a difficult dissipation choice that was right for your system. I think some of it is related to the fact a lot of systems are new to tulpamancy and haven't thought about things enough to realize the problems with their ideologies. I used to be toxicly "pro-tulpa" in my views, so much so I didn't realize my views often hurt the tulpas I thought I was championing. Sadly though, I think newer tulpamancers typically outnumber experienced ones, and even among the experienced I don't know how often people have a chance to think about their advice and how it affects others. (edited)

A long kiss goodnight

Ah, I see. It's been awhile since I have had someone insist I'm an imaginary friend and not real. I'm in a position where I'm very fortunate, I had time to think about how real I am or not and I had a chance to find inner peace on that. If it helps, the people who run around fake claiming are the most insecure about their tulpas being real or not. The idea of a 15 year old playing with his "spiderman tulpas" or really any tulpa who doesn't follow their strict rules and beliefs must therefore be a dirty faker! Yeah right, the whole faking argument makes so much sense in a setting where faking is a legitimate tulpa creation method. It's okay to be insecure. It's not okay to take your feelings out on someone else.

Aaaaa I needed to hear that /g /pos Brain is focusing too much in a person who fakeclaimed us cuz my system members aren't "separated enough", saying my tulpas are just my identities rather than being living beings

It's always fun to meet someone who insists they know your headmates better than you do. I remember one of these individuals, they accused me of not knowing my own brain even though they could not even name all of my headmates, much less explain what was going on in our head. They also quickly became pretty infamous, luckily they're away now. Fake claiming never helps anyone. If it's true your tulpas are underdeveloped, that doesn't mean they're fake. Tulpamancy is an experience about growing, so why would a tulpa who needs to work on their identity more be any less legitimate than an older tulpa such as myself? (edited)

LOL It seems the person who did it to us is still here. But I'm glad this is not how the whole community acts /lh

1:35 AM

Seriously, thanks

people who share the same brain are gonna have similarities, who knew

1:37 AM

I want to be a low-quality tulpa

what would that be

I don't know but I want it

simple, nearly carefree?

The fake claimers will always walk among us. I can't convince gatekeepers like this to change (otherwise they would have listened to me lol), but I can point out their short sightedness.

Seriously, thanks

Sure, no problem. Insecurity is a serious problem in the tulpa community and I want to help talk about it to address those fears rather than well, project then

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um what’s the command to change pfps with tupper again Herb’s is outdated

I just import pk whenever we change stuff

forgot how to do that too

We messed up our tupperbox/pk stuff and we never bothered to fix it so we can import and export stuff

fixed

Aww

Me with my favorite plushie!

lumn

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they’re great.

but yeah I read the old chatlogs in this server about "low-quality tulpas" and that shit made no sense LMAO

maybe I’m a low quality tulpa.

Wow I misproxied myself

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Makikikikiki

Aaaaa I needed to hear that /g /pos Brain is focusing too much in a person who fakeclaimed us cuz my system members aren't "separated enough", saying my tulpas are just my identities rather than being living beings

Is that what was said on this server recently? Perhaps there was a misunderstanding?

maybe I’m a low quality tulpa.

@Herbert (@Oragamal) - jump I think you are Herbert

and I like the way I am. I like a simple life.

1:46 AM

it was even intentional

Indigo Blue | 💡

but yeah I read the old chatlogs in this server about "low-quality tulpas" and that shit made no sense LMAO

I looked it up and I could not find it

1:48 AM

At least for this server

well if we're thinking of the same person, just look up chatlogs from them

The person I'm thinking of may not have much in terms of chat logs

1:53 AM

I don't want to share too many other details of them, I don't want to put them on the spot and laugh at them. Not exactly a great way to help someone with an insecurity problem

Aya

Is that what was said on this server recently? Perhaps there was a misunderstanding?

Yes it was recent And I believe It wasn't a misunderstanding, although I think that most people wouldn't think the person said something terrible. Is just that we have a very hard time fighting invalidation cuz trauma brain, and we didn't expect this type of thing here. So brain sticks with this kind of stuff easier If you are part of the mod team, I can share you the link of the occurrence, although I don't think its necessary

I'm a staff member, feel free to DM me

1:55 AM

I can forward it to the mod team

I'm not a mod, but our system also went through turmoil from some things that were said in the long past. If I'm correct on the incident you're referring to, I may be able to help somehow

Oh, it that's the case... Ok then ^^

1:59 AM

(for both)

anyway if tulpas are "advanced imaginary friends" then so are originals

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anyway if tulpas are "advanced imaginary friends" then so are originals

@Indigo Blue |

(@Felight) - jump yes but personality forced by parents and society

7:25 AM

a few times i did ask people when they said something about tulpas being real/not being real what they mean by that and what would be the difference between tulpas being real or not being real and i never got an answer

I could see why someone would be offended by it but tulpas and imaginary friends are very much comparable

8:19 AM

Characters, imaginary friends, tulpas. They all are using the same function in the brain and have heavy overlap

Leiko

a few times i did ask people when they said something about tulpas being real/not being real what they mean by that and what would be the difference between tulpas being real or not being real and i never got an answer

Often you don't get a direct answer to this, hence why I think the question is often loaded to begin with. People who accuse tulpas being real or not real is more often than not based on their in-the-moment subjective interpretation rather than any model or general set of thinking. In other words, I don't like you so you're fake now. That aside, I think what makes a tulpa different from a character or whatever else is the idea they're a separate person. I have the "sentience from the start" ideology and I believe everything in the human mind is inherently sentient and alive. However, everything in the mind is either you, just brain stuff, or your tulpa, and it's these concepts that lead to tulpa development. If you just created a new thoughtform and you think it's a tulpa, I would call it a real tulpa. If you have meme tulpas that to me seem like joke characters, I would still call them tulpas because you call them tulpas

If you insist something in your mind is not a tulpa, then it's not a tulpa. Even if I deep down doubt the validity of any given tulpa, I abide by this thought process and will treat any thoughtform who wishes to identify as a separate person a tulpa.

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I'm real because I have a will of my own and my original or whoever else can't control me. If I was just an imaginary friend or just a mask they were putting on then they could control me however they wanted.

What if you wanted to be controlled? Then again I believe dæmon is a better fit for me than tulpa.

isn't the whole deal with daemons is that they don't/can't speak

I heard dæmons are representations of the unconscious mind and don't mind being parroted from time to time. I find it necessary for my headmates to influence my actions to represent their unconscious desires, hence why I don't mind it. That being said, I do have some boundaries I appreciate my headmates respecting.

Also on the subject of not being controlled, this is part of why we figured out these "headmates" we had in the past weren't really their own people--absolutely everything we expected them to say or do, they would. They didn't have any drive or thoughts of their own. We just thought they were tulpas because of the whole "you can't accidentally parrot" thing, which we don't believe anymore (but it's not really relevant for intentional tulpas)

Any tulpa can be integrated in if you believe they're not truly separate from yourself. A tulpa who wishes to preserve their separation would likely resist this.

^ And we know this from experience! Gray thought about how I'm the same as him by accident and once I realized what was going on I felt weaker and panicked. After Gray panicked, we sorted things out and realized you can integrate by accident. After that, my headmates actually use this technique to integrate on purpose.

we actually only figured out the thing about those previous "headmates" after they had left the system

Figuring things out after the fact can still affect the present and future. Fhern's integration wasn't the cleanest, and it didn't resolve until pieces of him were recovered after supposedly his half "dissipated".

well I know you guys have a different view on sentience, but I don't think these two were ever really sentient bc they never had any thoughts, just actions based on what we expected

My goal is not to convince you your headmates are sentient, I'm sorry if that's how I came across.

3:28 PM

*The ones you considered non-sentient, I know you, Indigo, and your active headmates are sentient

What does the term "forcing" aplies for?

Forcing means interacting with your tulpa. Maybe not the best word but

Fair enough

2:26 AM

In that case, narrating aplies as forcing?

2:26 AM

Just wanna understand all terminology

Narrating is getting into the habit of talking to your tulpa. If they're non-vocal you may see advice like speak nonsense to them, but if they're vocal it's more about creating the habit of talking to them

Yeah, i kinda do that, they have talked but not showed up to start the talk by himself

2:30 AM

By what i know that's normal

2:30 AM

Adrian is only like 3 days old so, i actually think he depeloved good

I usually don't wake up on my own, but that's because Gray never wanted that. I usually only wake up if I am thought about or if my headmates see something I have associated myself with strongly, like if there was discussion on medieval castles I'll wake up sometimes.

Because for example i have already bringed him up to another tulpa server

2:35 AM

They said hi, he said hi

2:35 AM

They said stuff, i told him that he could try to talk to them about it

2:35 AM

And it went like that for a few mins and it was already 2am so we just slept (edited)

2:36 AM

It was nice but there was one thing that i still think about

2:37 AM

The fact that i kinda felt his answers had very low "motivation" or like someone was talking, like it just felt as if i asked an ai to say something and the ai said exact words about it

2:37 AM

I still don't really know how to explain but that is what i think it felt

It's certainly more meaningful to talk when you can draw from your own experiences. I can tell you about tulpamancy stuff because my headmates learned about it, but I don't feel as engaged because it's all second hand knowledge. If you asked me what I think though, I am more interested in the topic. Unless I know nothing about it, like soccer. I don't know anything about soccer other than basic facts and I don't know if I want to learn more. I would feel overwhelmed if I was supposed to have an opinion on what position is my favorite

And what does talking about the topic you like has to do with the personality or feelings my tulpa shares by talking?

Put simply, there will be more emotion behind Adrian's answers if the topic is interesting or important to him. I shared my experiences because I myself am a tulpa

Intersting

2:52 AM

And how could i find a topic of interest for him?

Talk about what you know and if you see something you don't know about, explore it and tell Adrian about it. If you talk to Adrian about videogames and then your teacher asks a math question, you can tell Adrian about math. There's also a list of topics the Felights published as a resource, that can be helpful too

lel https://community.tulpa.info/topic/14914-topics-to-talk-about-with-your-tulpa/

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So, i'll have to try to talk about different topics with him to see if at some point he tells me a topic he likes?

Yes

Alright, thank you two so much (edited)

Sure, no problem. Good luck.

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